Punishment for rape: 50 shekels of silver to girl's father +
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
PERSONAL COMMENTARY
Ok. Put yourself in this girls shoes. She's raped. Now her father gets 50 shekels of silver and she has to marry her rapist. Does this sound like a good deal for this victim?
19 comments:
yea it's a good deal. think about it, when the guy is asleep, she can go right ahead and kill the guy. or do it when he's awake by poisoning his food.
and 50 silver shekels is a lot of money. i bet if he couldn't pay he would have to be the fathers slave for quite some time until he paid it off.
plus, if the dude is stupid enough to stick around after raping someone, he deserves to be married to a dumb bitch that didn't call for help.
it's posts like yours, and sites like the 'skeptics bible'(where i got this link from) that make the bible that much more cooler. did you know you're doing believers a favor?
jesus wasn't as pussy as mainstream christians make him out to be. there's a new generation of disciples being formed, and we will bring this earth the antichrist it deserves.
for further discussion, email me at chris.kleine@gmail.com, as i probably won't be checking up on your blog.
lol What the hell is that all about??? :)
Exd 22:16-17 "And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins."
seeing as how christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus, try to focus your discourse to passages in the New Testament. Matthew 10:34 is as good a place to starts as any...
the reason Jesus was crucified is because the pharisees were offended that Jesus preached his own message that went against what they were preaching, what we consider the Old Testament.
and if you really want to bash on Jesus, do some reach into theories concerning why there's a 20 year gap in chronicling the life of Jesus. try to make a connection between Jesus & Mother Mary and Horus & Isis. go on, open a simple pandora box. what've you got to lose, besides all your preconceived notions, of course... ;)
it's very easy to criticize something. the real challenge comes in finding the good within the bad.
example: lucifer/satan. the enemy of God and all His followers. without whom no religion/belief would be possible. so, in effect, how bad of a guy is satan, really?
tiny tim: since sex is considered a sacred blood covenant between 2 people, and a guy and a girl choose to treat it as some game, then their marriage will be treated as such. and, who does the dowry get paid to again? and what is a dowry exactly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_price
in the words of elvis: "what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"
Bash on Jesus? Huh? Who's bashing on Jesus?
Secondly, all I did was quote a relevant verse in light of the original post, not yours, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Lucifer. lol And who exactly is Lucifer?
hey tiny tim you retard, lucifer is another name for satan. and woul someone please explain to me why it is the church needs to accept millions of dollars a year? to mkae and purchase expensive chairs and crosses for the pope i suppose? does the bible not say to give to the poor? it seems to me money thats given to these churches, which are unnecassary to be forgiven in the first place, could spend their money more wisely
Jesus was angry that the Pharisees were NOT following the word of God. (Mark 7:9.) Jesus said you must follow the the law. (Matt 5:17). He came to FULFILL the law, NOT to abolish it.
Therefore, if you are a Christian, you must follow ALL the laws in the Bible, including the Old Testament laws about slavery and rape AND divorce.
This "Chris" guy (or girl) is very naive and obviously brainwashed like most people. It's hilarious how he/she tries to defend this scripture. And 50 shekels of silver is NOT a lot of money. It's about 400 bucks compared to today. I think it's a "good deal" for the rapist.
And she can't kill him in his sleep, she'd be STONED to death. If God's intention was to have her marry the guy so she could kill him in his sleep then God would have just said "If you rape anyone, you get stoned to death!" Done deal...but the Bible doesn't say that. Does this sound like the teachings of a supreme being to you?
To quote Chris: "it's very easy to criticize something. the real challenge comes in finding the good within the bad." So you are saying the bible includes some BAD? Then it can't possibly be the Infallible Word of God can it?
AND TO THE CREATOR OF THE SITE: You should include more quotes from Jesus showing how he WAS NOT completely about love and changing things and getting rid of the Old Covenant. It seems that people seem to give the Old Testament a free pass because the incorrectly think Jesus abolished it.
Anonymous #1, when you said, "Therefore, if you are a Christian, you must follow ALL the laws in the Bible, including the Old Testament laws about slavery and rape AND divorce," that is not necessarily accurate. Once Jesus (the last sacrifice) died and was raised again, the Mosaic Laws were no longer in effect. The laws that we still must adhear to are the Ten Commandments. The New Testament speaks of this several times. Other than that, what you have made clear is pretty accurate.
Truth seeker:
First allow me to quote your book.
Matthew 5:17-20
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Now I know that you'll say his sacrifice to himself was the end, but it says quite clearly "...until heaven and earth disappear...", and, well... we're still here. So this seems quite clear to me.
But then you go & shoot yourself in the foot and say that we only need to uphold the 10 commandments. The reference to these commandments in stone was from Exodus 20:1-17. It was Moses who talked to a burning bush and got these, not Jesus.
But assuming your logic was correct, this would mean that homosexuality is ok (not mentioned by Jesus or the 10 commandments). Rape is ok (it never mentions daughters, unless you think of your neighbors' daughters as his property). Adultery is ok as long as it is not another man's wife (specifically mentions wife). Eating an animal "found dead upon itself" is ok. In fact, any of the animals we should find 'detestable' are ok (split hoofs, anything from the oceans without scales, etc).
I know… I know.. I’m reading too literally, right? So if this is anyone’s response, please tell me the criteria for when to interpret something to the letter. How do you pick and choose what you do NOT read to the letter?
This is a WRONG interpretation of that scripture.
This man that the woman sleeps with is not a stranger. Deuteronomy 22 is the Same law as this one in Exodus...
Ex.22:
[16] And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
[17] If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
MEN WERE REQUIRED TO ASK THE FATHER TO GIVE HER DAUGHTER TO WIFE. THE FATHER LOOKED AFTER THE DAUGHTER & WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER. If a man entices (seduce) a woman that is a virgin in order to force the father's hand in marriage. The father could refuse, & the man would still have to pay the dowry of virgins.
This discourage men from doing this type of offense. The man would be out 50 Shekels of Silver with no wife.
Deut. 22 is not rape but poor translation.
After reading it again, it doesn't look like rape is a good translation. It doesn't say force, Deuteronomy 22:25 says what should happen to a man that forces himself on a woman, stoning.
Actually, verse 28-29 are just a continuation of the discussion. If you pay attention. Starting with
22:23-24: what to do if a man rapes a virgin (who is betrothed) while in the city (it doesn't say rape, but why else would she be punished for not crying out?).
22:25-27: what to if the man rapes a virgin (who is betrothed) in the country (she gets off this time, because she probably cried out and no one heard her).
22:28-29: what to do if a man rapes a virgin who is not betrothed. Even in King James' English, it's plain as English. The line doesn't have to say "forced" because it's implied in the context (or you can infer it from the context if that's better grammar).
And Christians are always giving me shit for reading out of context.
The idea is that other men won't want to marry her because she's been "defiled." If her rapist doesn't marry her, no one will, and she will have no one to take care of her. Put it in the context of the time, and it makes sense.
Tuesday April 26, 2011
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The obligation was on the man, not the woman. And the father had right of refusal, too. The culprit could not divorce her but she could certainly leave him.
The whole point of this law, is that if a man took a woman's virginity, she had a claim on his support for life. Since the theft of her virginity, made her chance of getting married to anyone else, NEAR ZERO, and since in a preindustrial culture a woman couldn't make it without a man, forcing him to support her is fair. Harsh as it sounds, it was actually humane in its original cultural context. In modern terms, it would be as if we made the penalty for rape, lifetime alimony.
Also, Israelites were forbidden to marry into other tribes. So if Susie Sorority got date-raped by Biff FratRat at the party, yes, Biff is on the hook to take care of her forever. But if someone of another tribe (an illegal alien gangster, for instance) raped her, well, that would have been handled as a military matter.
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What translation of the Bible are you using? I'm guessing NLT..? (I could be wrong.) but I suggest the ESV, it's the most correctly translated. And that verse isn't speaking of rape, but of mutual consent. Just two or three verses before the one mentioned it speaks of the punishment for rape, and that's death.
46 The more Christians try to defend the perverse insanity of the Bible, especially the old testament, the more insane they seem, tying themselves in logical knots trying to justify the unforgiveable commands of a savage god. For those that say we shouldn’t point out the cruelties demanded of men in the old testament because that doesn’t count any more, then WHY IS IT STILL PART of your BIBLE? If you agree to repudiate the old testament I, for one, will have more respect for your Christian beliefs.
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