Sunday, March 25, 2007

Stone the rape victim for not screaming for help

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

PERSONAL COMMENTARY


Isn't this a classic case of further victimizing a victim?

12 comments:

tiny tim said...

I'd like to know where you read in this verse that she's being raped.

Anonymous said...

Why else would she need to scream for help?

I looked up the context and here's what the next verses state:

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

So it's obviously talking about rape.

tiny tim said...

The verse before though reads: Deu 22:22 "If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel."

Is this verse talking about a man raping a woman? Likewise, there's also no mention about "forcing" or "raping" in verses 23-24.

David and Bethsheba technically should have been put to death for what they did. David didn't rape her and Bethsheba didn't cry out. It was still wrong though because she was married.

These verses are really quite simple to understand! .If the woman didn't scream for help, it would be insinuated the sex was consensual. If she cried out, the assumption would be rape.

Tastentier said...

Yes, it's easy to understand. If she didn't scream because the rapist held a knife to her throat, she'd deserve to be stoned to death. That's the law of the omnibenevolent god Yahweh, Jesus' daddy.

Amonite said...

The context of the passage is: If a man sleeps with a girl in town (ie she is capable of crying out for help - they did have judges) then she has two choices: sleep with the guy and risk getting stoned, or scream for help/cry rape. Obviously, if the girl cries for help or threatens the man she will, he is not going to sleep with her, and if he does, she is not going to be stoned because she screaming for help. If she doesn't, and has that capability, she is considered complicit.

Out in the country (ie somewhere with no help available), the girl may have been complicit or raped - but there is no way of knowing. It is unlikely that the girl is going to say 'yah, it was my idea' and get stoned. In this case it is assumed the girl was forced.

Ganesh V said...

Well, Shouldn't "The Holy Ghost" and "Virgin" Mary be Stoned to death as per this "gem" from the Holy Babble?!! ;-)

Adam McGhan said...

This is all Old Testament law, Matthew 1:1. Jesus come to fulfill the love...

Anonymous said...

"This is all Old Testament law, Matthew 1:1. Jesus come to fulfill the love... "

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17

Anonymous said...

lol the woman is not a victim, she appears to be a willful participant, she was not being raped, she was cheating on her husband. anyway fuck women, that's what god wants that's why women have vaginas for me to put my dick in, FUCK WOMEN!

Anonymous said...

Not sure if you still check this, but wanted to offer a comment. A fair reading of Deuteronomy 22:23-27 would see that the woman in the first case is participating in consensual sexual activity, but in the second case (the open field scenario), it is rape. The text signals this by saying that she did not call for help in the first case, but did call for help in the second. The issue here in consent. The first scenario is adultery, and the second is rape. In rape, only the offending party is liable to punishment.

Anonymous said...

If she was stoned to death by the islamic state, It jolly well serves her right for screaming rape and / or having the audacity of attempting to disobey a request from a man for sexual intercourse. What do you expect the islamci state to do, treat her as a victim and ruin the mans life just because he felt a bit randy one night and lost control a bit or was a bit desperate for a shag, no she jolly well should be stoned to death for that. They should also bring legistlation like this to the the western world for matters of crying rape. It would protect perpetrators of rape and innocent men wrongly accused as happens so often in the western world aswell. No big deal to the woman, all she has to do is forget about the incident and move on wish the man ni ill will.

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous 6/22/2016 1:27 PM. You should seriously kill yourself.